Wednesday, January 10, 2007
Former Democratic Congressional Candidate Chases Three Men With An Assault Rifle
Paul Hackett, past Democratic candidate for Congress, brandishing an assault rifle, chased down three men who crashed into the fence of his home.
Apparently there is some debate concerning if any charges will be filed against Hackett. But Hackett is a rich lawyer living in a town, Indian Hill, Ohio, with a higher average household income ($158,742 in 2000) over twice that of Beverly Hills, California ($70,945 in 2000). How much you wanna bet that rich, Democratic lawyers pay no price for running around with loaded AR-15's chasing hapless guys through rich neighborhoods? While I'm a strong supporter of the right to bear arms, I don't believe we need nuts like Paul Hackett running around our streets (or your streets) with assault rifles. It's hard to believe he almost made it to Congress. And, all this over a slightly damaged fence in a rich man's yard.
Indian Hill lawyer and former congressional candidate Paul Hackett - armed with a loaded assault rifle - chased down three men in a car after it crashed into a fence at his home in the early morning hours of Nov. 19.Hackett sounds like some sort of crazed "militia" type.
The driver was charged with failure to maintain reasonable control, driving under suspension and carrying a concealed weapon - a pair of brass knuckles found in his pocket - according to the Indian Hill police.
Indian Hill Rangers consider the matter closed, but a Hamilton County grand jury two weeks ago took testimony from the three men in the car and the ranger who investigated the incident, according to an Indian Hill police report.
The incident happened around 4:30 a.m. Nov. 19. Police were called to Hackett's Indian Hill house after Fee failed to make a curve and ran into a fence at the home on Given Road, according to the police report.An AR-15 assault rifle with 29 rounds? These guys just ran into Hackett's fence. Sounds like massive over kill. Hackett claims he was protecting his home. How far from your home do you chase someone before your house is protected? I wonder what the police would do if an ordinary citizen with an AR-15 chased someone through town.
When White arrived at the house, Hackett's wife, Suzi, told him that her husband had called her to say he had stopped the men on Keller Road.
White called for backup. He arrived at a driveway in the 8700 block of Keller Road to find the three men lying face down near their small, black car and Hackett's pickup truck. With a flashlight, White saw a strap on Hackett's right shoulder and "what appeared to be an assault rifle hanging along his right side," White's report said.
White told Hackett to put away the rifle and "not take things into his own hands."
Fee was the only person charged. He is scheduled to plead to the charges Jan. 24, according to court records.
During the investigation, Hackett told police Nov. 30 that he was carrying an AR-15. He said one round was in the chamber and that he usually has 28 rounds in the magazine. He also told police that he did not point the weapon at the three men, the safety was on and he never put his finger on the trigger.
Hackett said he had followed a trail of fluid left by the car, and the vehicle stopped in a driveway. Hackett told police that he hopped out of his truck and that he was armed.
"He told the boys to 'Get the ---- out of the car and get on the ground.' ... He said he did not touch the vehicle with the rifle and maintained his distance. 'I knew they saw I was armed,' he said. He said he had done this about 200 times in Iraq, but this time there was not a translation problem," the Indian Hill police report said.
Moore said Hackett was woken up by "criminal activity" and "took affirmative action to protect his wife and family from an unknown disturbance at his house." He then "attempted to bring the perpetrators to justice who had fled from the scene," according to Moore.
Apparently there is some debate concerning if any charges will be filed against Hackett. But Hackett is a rich lawyer living in a town, Indian Hill, Ohio, with a higher average household income ($158,742 in 2000) over twice that of Beverly Hills, California ($70,945 in 2000). How much you wanna bet that rich, Democratic lawyers pay no price for running around with loaded AR-15's chasing hapless guys through rich neighborhoods? While I'm a strong supporter of the right to bear arms, I don't believe we need nuts like Paul Hackett running around our streets (or your streets) with assault rifles. It's hard to believe he almost made it to Congress. And, all this over a slightly damaged fence in a rich man's yard.
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at what point does a weapon become too powerful for home defence.
yes he had a ar-15, what if it was an uzi, or ak47, or anything else..
there is a point where self defence/home defence when it gets too.. powerful.
hand guns ok i can see some of the reasoning behind them, but automatic rifles.. how can you control them.. this will only make criminals get bigger and more powerful weapons, and kill first.
if someone decided to get a grenade launcher for home defence, you have to say and ask, at what point does it become overkill.
the UK doesnt have a gun culture, there are areas where criminals do have guns.. and farmers have shotguns. but its rare here
yes he had a ar-15, what if it was an uzi, or ak47, or anything else..
there is a point where self defence/home defence when it gets too.. powerful.
hand guns ok i can see some of the reasoning behind them, but automatic rifles.. how can you control them.. this will only make criminals get bigger and more powerful weapons, and kill first.
if someone decided to get a grenade launcher for home defence, you have to say and ask, at what point does it become overkill.
the UK doesnt have a gun culture, there are areas where criminals do have guns.. and farmers have shotguns. but its rare here
I actually prefer a shotgun for home defense. You don't have to be a good shot and shotguns are very effective.
However, I don't keep any loaded guns in my house. (I have two rifles and a shotgun.) I keep trigger locks on all of them. I keep the ammunition and guns in separate parts of the house. In fact, my weapons may be of little use for home protection because it would take me 2-3 minutes to have them ready to fire. I do have a couple of bird dogs, one's an English Setter (though you might like that), that probably wouldn't hurt a soul but they bark loudly.
I would never dream of chasing someone down the street. What if they have a gun or guns? My life is worth much more than a fence, as is theirs.
Hackett's actions are way over the top and hurt the case of responsible gun owners.
However, I don't keep any loaded guns in my house. (I have two rifles and a shotgun.) I keep trigger locks on all of them. I keep the ammunition and guns in separate parts of the house. In fact, my weapons may be of little use for home protection because it would take me 2-3 minutes to have them ready to fire. I do have a couple of bird dogs, one's an English Setter (though you might like that), that probably wouldn't hurt a soul but they bark loudly.
I would never dream of chasing someone down the street. What if they have a gun or guns? My life is worth much more than a fence, as is theirs.
Hackett's actions are way over the top and hurt the case of responsible gun owners.
i guess its a biggest difference between america and the Uk, guns are rare and unusual here, there guns are more common.. but we have less gun crime, in the entire country than in some states.. than even in some cities..
who is safer, the place where there are a lot more guns, or a place with a lot less guns..
i dont know.
who is safer, the place where there are a lot more guns, or a place with a lot less guns..
i dont know.
Well, after a string of robberies and murders to start the new year, a bar I (and my co workers) frequent had to hire a security guard. For the first week of his tenure, (and I say this after just leaving his presence a few moments ago) he carried with him an AR-15. This is outside a bar in a middle class neighborhood.
(The guys that man the 'checkpoint' between Sea Island and thuggish St Simons Island back in Georgia also carry high powered weaponry. That zip code also has a higher than Beverly Hills average, I would wager.)
These days, he only appears armed with a large caliber pistol, but I feel so much safer walking the four streets within his eyesight while he is there.
Now, if Hackett is doing this over and over and over, it may be a problem, but no one should begrudge a civilian who detains would be miscreants until the police arrive, because, as I have recently discovered, the alternative could be worse.
Maybe his choice of weapon seems extreme (I too, having the choice, would go with a 12 guage), but as an Iraq veteran, Hackett is most likely an expert in the use of the M-16/AR-15 model, and may have chosen the weaponry out of familiarity more than anything else.
(The guys that man the 'checkpoint' between Sea Island and thuggish St Simons Island back in Georgia also carry high powered weaponry. That zip code also has a higher than Beverly Hills average, I would wager.)
These days, he only appears armed with a large caliber pistol, but I feel so much safer walking the four streets within his eyesight while he is there.
Now, if Hackett is doing this over and over and over, it may be a problem, but no one should begrudge a civilian who detains would be miscreants until the police arrive, because, as I have recently discovered, the alternative could be worse.
Maybe his choice of weapon seems extreme (I too, having the choice, would go with a 12 guage), but as an Iraq veteran, Hackett is most likely an expert in the use of the M-16/AR-15 model, and may have chosen the weaponry out of familiarity more than anything else.
Your concern about the area you bar is in is understandable. Downtown Cincinnati virtually dies after dark. No one with any money will go there to eat or shop at night, to dangerous or at least perceived to be so. Believe me, street violence is no problem in Indian Hill, OH. I'd feel as safe there as any place I can think of.
I have no problem with Mr. Tackett detaining someone at his home while waiting for the police. But, he chased them down through city streets.
Mr. Hackett should be glad that the Southern Poverty Law Center isn't involved. These three guys would own his house by now. (Strawman tossed in for fun.)
I have no problem with Mr. Tackett detaining someone at his home while waiting for the police. But, he chased them down through city streets.
Mr. Hackett should be glad that the Southern Poverty Law Center isn't involved. These three guys would own his house by now. (Strawman tossed in for fun.)
Sorry for the perception error. I just get a little giddy when well known Democrats become notorious for fighting crime with high powered weapons in efforts to both defend their home, help their police and keep their community safe.
Chasing them down? He shoulda videotaped it.
Chasing them down? He shoulda videotaped it.
when does keeping your community safe from...(criminals, or people having an accident and driving away, different faiths, different races).. become a problem?
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